The Struggling Artist - Creative Resilience - S2 - Ep. 7 Tamara Linke. Spy. Horse whisperer. Voice-over expert. Who is this international woman of mystery? In this episode of 'The Struggling Artist: Creative Resilience', we talk with Tamara Linke about that very question: resilience—and how learning to say “yes” to new and unfamiliar opportunities can open unexpected doors.
I am an award winning voice actor, bringing a wealth of knowledge and a unique skill set to any project. A voice actor whose work has been praised internationally as recipient of the Outstanding Body of Work- Best International Voice for the SOVAS awards 2026. With a penchant for accents, song writing and impersonations, I have presented weekend breakfast on Nova 919 in Adelaide as well as breakfast and drive at Fresh 92.7.
Having studied improvisation at The Groundling's School, completed a Bachelor of Music - Classical Voice Performance from the Elder Conservatorium, I have gone on to perform back-up vocals for Michael Buble and have graced various stages with Adelaide band The Vanity Cure. I have co-produced Cabaret trio The Vox Trust at the Adelaide and Melbourne Fringe Festivals, as well as writing and composing the original musical 'The Hipster'. I currently sing for State Opera of South Australia.
I love a work out fad (right now it's wall pilates) or indulging in playing naff 90's pop on my piano. I have two children and a husband with a flair for magic tricks.
Currently I produce and co-host the podcast The Beautiful Nightmare, recently awarded for Best Australian Comedy Podcast 2024, and Nominee 2023. I am also a committee member of AAVA- The Australian Association of Voice Actors.
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Adam
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Adam
Welcome to the struggling artist's creative resilience. My name is Adam Goodburn, and I've gone on a journey of discovery, talking to people about the highs and lows in their lives and how they continue to move forward positively. This podcast approaches the topic with an autistic performance framework, but could easily apply to all walks of life. The struggling artist is 100% independent, no ads and no sponsors.
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Adam
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Adam and Julie
Welcome to another episode of The Struggling Artist Creative Resilience. I'm Adam Goodburn and this is my lovely partner. Julie Goodburn. Yay!
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Julie
He always sits us when I do these, so I thought I would start off with a very.
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Adam
Natural from the heart. Yeah. She is.
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Adam and Julie
Hi everybody. Woo!
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Adam
We're here. I drag her to this microphone. Yeah. To do these.
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Adam
He pays me a lot to I.
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Julie
Don't.
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Julie
Know.
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Adam
Well to today's episode I'll be interviewing tomorrow.
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Adam
Linky tomorrow stinky linky stinky linky.
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Adam
Yes that's how I know to get it right. Yeah. So we've known Tamara for quite a while. Back when we were in university, but at university I was at university, but you kind of okay if I currently share that experience with me. And but she's explored some different paths in career, and, I found that really fascinating.
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Adam
And that was one of the reasons why I wanted to talk about her to her about it. And she kind of helped me get this whole thing started, where she created this podcast. She's a famous podcaster. And, I mean, I don't know when you're going to be listening to this, but she just recently won an award in the States, for, for voiceover artists.
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Adam
I can't give the exact title of it, but, keep checking her website and she'll update it. But yeah, so I did see that she had won a recent award as a voiceover artist. So as I said, Tamara is a voice actor, performer and vocalist, and to this point, she's had, a 20 year career. A voice actor has worked and has been praised internationally and it's just happened again.
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Adam
Recently, she was a nominee for outstanding body of work, best international voice for the. So this award 2024, I think that was the one she wore. She won just recently for this year. I think we did the Persian for accent songwriting impersonations. She's also been on radio. She, did a Bachelor of Music, classic voice performance at the old Conservatorium in Adelaide.
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Adam
And that's where, I met Tamar and and Julia and I got to love for. Yep. For that. And she's also been involved in, various projects in, in podcasting and also, has performed with State Opera South Australia. So it is for great pleasure that we now have a listen to the interview with Tamara Linky. Oh.
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Adam and Tamara
Now it is link, isn't it? Linky? That's why I never.
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Adam and Tamara
Said that's why I needed to see even.
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Adam and Tamara
Know you anymore.
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Adam and Tamara
Oh no oh no no no. Don't even know who you what.
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Adam and Tamara
Oh junkie linky link linky stinky linky, stinky link. They call me.
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Adam and Tamara
That's what they call me.
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Adam and Tamara
Stinky linky myself. I did all right. When are you ready?
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Adam
Oh, are you rolling?
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Tamara
I'm rolling all of that. I got all of that.
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Adam
You got all of that?
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Tamara
Yeah, in case you want to use it. You edit it, right?
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Adam
No, no, it gets roll.
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Adam and Tamara
Right. So people though, they just.
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Adam and Tamara
They leave everything on there.
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Adam and Tamara
Yeah. You know what I mean. Like, they don't edit much. Yeah.
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Adam and Tamara
No I do, I do I do the ums and ahs, which I do a lot of love.
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Adam and Tamara
That for us.
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Adam and Tamara
Go tomorrow linky Stinky Linky. Thank you for joining me today.
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Adam and Tamara
You're welcome.
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Adam and Tamara
Ademas good. Bernice.
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Adam and Tamara
So all the listeners out there, a little bit of background knowledge. Well, I've known Tamara for quite a while now.
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Adam and Tamara
How long's a while? Like, 20, 28 years or something like that?
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Adam and Tamara
It was. Well, we both went to the Conservatorium together. Yeah. Tamara, you're a year ahead of me. I was an I was a mature student.
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Adam and Tamara
So cute, I loved it.
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Adam and Tamara
I, I always giggle just thinking. Mature as an age, not into emotionally mature. Yeah.
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Adam and Tamara
No. You. When you've never been emotionally?
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Adam and Tamara
No, I'm not emotionally.
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Adam and Tamara
I wouldn't say emotionally. Just mature.
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Adam and Tamara
Just mature. Yeah, just just sort of, intellectual age or something like that, I guess. And we got to know each other through through the course, and many productions were involved in and gratefully that she was still around in my life. Yeah, but but I've been sort of a few gaps along the way. But the other thing is that you kind of inspired me, or you'll kind of subtly mentored me in creating this podcast because.
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Adam and Tamara
Oh, well.
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Tamara
Because I know that.
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Adam and Tamara
Because you've been podcasting for a while. Yeah. And and I was aware of that. And I actually listened to a few of your you've got quite a few podcasts want list some of them off just for if people want to sort of go back track and go for your digital digital photography of of podcast podcast.
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Adam and Tamara
Well, I started doing one called The Guilt Trip, which I did by myself or I interviewed, well, basically friends.
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Tamara
So probably that's the only way I am at the moment.
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Tamara
Yeah. Just got some friends on different topic because I just thought.
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Tamara
Oh, I'll see what this is all about because I have all the equipment, so that makes life easy. I didn't need much. So, yeah, interviewed people and did that for a while, and then Covid hit and then it became kind of harder to interview people. Plus, I was also freaking out about everyone is going to die. It's the end of the world.
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Tamara
So then and then my friend approached me, Chanel Franklin, who I used to do radio with back, like 2011 or something, and,
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Tamara
Fresh.
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Tamara
Fresh off him and said, do you want to do a podcast? I said, okay, and then we did, The Beautiful Nightmare. So that's how that came about. And then we kind of had a little, what do you call like a spinoff series called The Tidbits?
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Tamara
Yes. Yeah. That's where I, I.
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Tamara
Listen.
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Tamara
To.
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Tamara
For little tidbit. Yes. So we did that. Yeah. Where we talked about, weird, weird stories of the week. Yeah. So so those three. So that's one I've done.
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Tamara
And which one was where you would be having the odd discussion with your husband?
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Tamara
Oh, now that was the guilt trip.
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Tamara
It was a guilt trip.
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Tamara
So kind of come off on the beginning and we'd have a little chat and then we'd go into the. The interview. Yeah. Or the chat I heard.
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Adam
So I heard a few of those.
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Tamara
Yes.
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Adam
There was some of those. Yeah.
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Tamara
We used to do that in bed with wine drinks. Yes. But we sat.
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Adam
There.
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Tamara
And that was really impressive because generally the sound was quite good. So again, I'm a bit I'm sort of fascinated by the whole equipment. Yeah. And and listeners, if you're wondering, wow, wow, this, this podcast. But sound quality is really good. I'm using Tamara's stuff. That's why. So it's not.
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Tamara
Amazing. Yeah.
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Adam
Listen, Chris, to.
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Tamara
Oh, it's so good.
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Adam
No background noise or refrigerators going.
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Tamara
It's now washing.
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Tamara
Machines, washing.
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Adam
Machines, dog hot dogs, tap dancing. It's so tomasky. Yeah, but it was when I was having my moment. I've had a few moments, but this was a was a moment and. And Julie. Yeah. What my partner said you should do a podcast offhandedly. You know what? Yeah. So I've never done that before. But yes, you recall, I sort of went to your place and you sort of gave me a very sort of the lay of land.
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Adam
This is what this is what you'd probably need. And the and.
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Adam
Format how it.
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Tamara
Works. Yeah.
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Adam
And sort of the.
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Tamara
But you knew heaps already.
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Tamara
Know you were like, I.
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Tamara
Know that tomorrow. Tell me something.
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Adam
You know, I didn't you know, I just trying to look intelligent to you at the time I had no idea what was going on, you know, had to even deliver the material and stuff like that. It was. Yeah. So. So thank you.
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Adam
Well, congratulations on the podcast.
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Adam
Well, yeah. So as I keep jokingly say, it's reached my goal of more than three listeners. So oh.
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Tamara
Well done.
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Adam
I'm living the dream.
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Tamara
Are you one of them.
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Adam
Maybe. Maybe. But yes, it's more than three. So I'm on the happy. So tomorrow, what did you do when you were a little child? What was your dream? I'll. I'll tell you what. My dream was up there.
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Tamara
But what was your tantrums? And I know.
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Tamara
What did I what was my dream? I think I always wanted to be a singer like Kylie Minogue. Or an actress in some capacity. I think I wanted to be on Comedy company. To be. Yeah, that's what I wanted to do. And I had to sing and dance around and be annoying. And I actually was thinking about this the other day, my first performance I ever did.
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Tamara
I think I was about seven years old and my grandmother's on maybe 60th or 70th birthday, all adults, because I was the eldest grandchild in on both sides of my family. So no other kids around or cousins. And I did a stand up routine.
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Tamara
In front of all these adult fancy.
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Tamara
That.
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Tamara
But I imitated, Maryanne Fay from Comedy Company, who did, the baby. You know, she did, like, a baby character. And Kylie Moll. Yes. Yeah. For those Aussie listeners who and from our age group who know the comedy company. So I basically did my own skit based on her imitating her characters. Got dressed up and had a little baby doll and everything, and I remember everyone clapping afterwards and thinking, oh, isn't she sweet?
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Tamara
So I was always doing stuff like that. Loved it, singing around the whole thing.
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Tamara
She's sweet and only broke out in your routine.
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Tamara
I do. I still break out of my routine.
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Tamara
But I did find a report card from year four where the teacher had written, oh, tomorrow. She's a wonderful student, dadada, but she needs to stop being a bit silly and calm down during class.
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Adam
What? Why?
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Tamara
Because I was probably distracting.
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Tamara
Like if I found the work boring sitting in a classroom and a desk for hours on end. Okay, if I got a bit bored with the subject and I did this in high school too, I just. I want to have fun. Where can I find the fun? What's funny? Let's talk about it. You know, tomorrow I stop talking but laughing as well.
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Tamara
I just wanted to laugh. Always. And I still do want to find the fun and funny and everything.
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Adam
Were you entertaining the people around you as well? Yes.
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Tamara
Yes.
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Tamara
Yeah. I mean, you mean, was I just.
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Tamara
Being an idiot? Everyone's like, shut up to me.
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Adam
No, but you were sort of putting on a little show. Yeah. Doing silly voices.
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Tamara
Oh, yeah. All the silly voices.
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Adam
I mean, as a as a teacher. Well, I can understand that. That would annoy.
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Tamara
Oh, so annoying.
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Adam
Annoy a teacher, but for be a part of me that would also think I don't want to quash that. Yeah, as long as it's not distracting other people in the classroom I think.
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Tamara
So it.
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Tamara
Is. Okay, I don't think I was.
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Tamara
Ridiculous, put it that.
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Adam
Way, I don't I wouldn't imagine you to be sort of, defiant.
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Tamara
No, no, as a rule follower. Like. Absolutely. So yeah. So I think that yeah, looking back on it, I'd always wanted to do something creative in some form until I got older. And then I think I thought, oh, I better be realistic. Being a performer is not a great idea, you know, because you think, oh, I don't think it's the having that faith in yourself that you wouldn't why would you be that one person that makes it so?
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Tamara
I better have a backup plan.
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Adam
What was was there a particular moment that made you suddenly realize, I need a I need a backup plan.
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Tamara
Or my parents and and they didn't do it.
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Tamara
They didn't do it.
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Tamara
Knowing that that would probably planting a seed that wasn't a great seed. I think they thought, oh, well, you know, we've we've spent lots of money on private school when we wanted to. If you goes to uni, yes, you can go and study singing. That'd be great. But do something else as well. Tomorrow you need a backup plan because you know, it's hard, which it is.
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Tamara
It's hard being an artist or performer, but I think you translate subconsciously to that. Translate says we don't think that you can actually do that thing, so you're not good enough to do that thing. So you better do something else just in case. Do you know? I know like David said to me, go for it. Go on, go on, apply for everything.
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Tamara
Do it tomorrow. Don't worry about. You can do.
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Adam
Anything you want. Yeah. Put your mind.
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Tamara
Yeah. So that were very positive.
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Tamara
But I think they, they really thought that that kind of off the cuff comment would have maybe had that impacts you like, oh I mean I'm, I think, I think I think I'm good but I'm not like amazing, you know. So I think that's why I probably got to a point where I was like, oh, yeah, I don't, I don't have faith.
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Tamara
And the confidence had sort of dipped slightly, which also, you know, you go through puberty and that happens, doesn't it? Yeah. Self-conscious and.
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Adam
Puberty.
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Tamara
You haven't been through it. Oh, that makes sense. This man child sitting opposite me.
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Adam
What do you mean puberty?
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Tamara
I'm going through my second puberty. What to hear all about it. It's called perimenopause.
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Adam
And we'll look forward to that podcast. Stay tuned listeners. Yeah, we're going to backtrack a little bit because this was a question that I wanted to ask. And I usually ask people this at the beginning, but now I've now I'm asking a midwife first. Yes.
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Tamara
Okay.
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Adam
So the common question I ask people is, do you think, artists need to need to struggle with this, with the career that they've chosen is there's a need to be a certain level of adversity in this career. Hence the term struggling artist. What are your thoughts on that?
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Tamara
To be successful? Do you mean you feel like it needs to be something you go through so you can say, oh, I struggled and I've come out. Oh, you mean do we not need to do that at all?
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Adam
Well, yes to both. Yeah. The question is, the explanation I give to many people is that there often there's a, a perception out in the wider community as well that, for true creativity to be created, you need to be struggling. And hence and, and obviously from the governmental funding side of things.
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Tamara
Yeah.
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Adam
If we, creatives would sort of say we need this amount of money. And I said, well, we'll give you much less amount of money, and that will mean you can be more creative and make something. And, and sometimes it's true that a lot of moments of, insight, fullness and, and it's because they've had to try to think, think outside, to, to to make it work.
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Adam
And, and that's where sometimes for real gems come through. But and, and then there's been also cases where when people get a heap a lot of money, it's sort of squandered and you sort of go, well, that didn't actually add anything to the to the final piece or whatever. But so there is a sort of feeling and also as an artist yourself, it kind of, you know, and you hear the stories of successful, performers in the past.
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Adam
And they said they have I started out and they'd be living in a share house, or they'd be sleeping on the couch and they'd be eating baked beans and stuff like.
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Tamara
So suddenly they were discovered and then they were.
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Adam
Discovered and but it made them a better person because of those experiences. Yeah. And and, I suppose for me, myself, it's sort of do these moments of challenges make us, make us better performers, or wouldn't it be nice if we were like normal people and got green and going, yeah, green lights and were acknowledged for, hard work and.
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Adam
Yes, and things would progress and you'd sort of go, well done, you've earned this.
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Tamara
Yeah. No 100. Certainly.
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Tamara
I think we have more intestinal fortitude, and we do.
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Adam
Intestinal fortitude guts.
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Tamara
Let's say we do that way because.
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Tamara
We do go through a lot and we're not given everything. And that's because of the industry itself. As you've just explained, we don't get the money, people. The perception of artists is it's a hobby. How's your hobby going? You know, no one's taking it seriously. So but they forget, I think, what it provides them, you know, around them all the time.
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Tamara
I feel like I, I think as a performer, I think going through the struggle helps you be a better performer in your experience in your life and what you've experienced. And I think, let's just say if there is 1% of people who get it handed on a, you know, just happen to be get the gold ticket at the time when they they finish studying and then they get the part and boom, Bob's your uncle.
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Tamara
They've never had to really work for anything in their lives. I wonder if it's going to really, what's the word?
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Tamara
Give them that sort of richness of performance that I think, what are they going to draw on, in other words? So I think you can draw on all of those things, but I think we need to struggle. I think which I've learned later in life, is to think of yourself, okay, you're a performer, but as a business, and I think a lot of artists don't do that.
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Tamara
You know, we definitely treat ourselves as.
00;19;19;17 - 00;19;20;18
Tamara
All.
00;19;20;21 - 00;19;35;24
Tamara
Please, someone give me a job. I'm here, you know, look at me, look at me. And then we take all the crumbs and whatever you can get, because there's not a lot out there and we forget our worth. And I think we need to start thinking of ourselves. Okay. I'm a business. I'm a product. How do I sell my products?
00;19;35;24 - 00;19;55;03
Tamara
And and I mean, in, in a authentic way, not in a I'm going to, you know, go out and sell my sell my artistry on the streets. I don't think you need to struggle in that respect, because I think if you feel that you need to lean into the struggle because that's part of the process. I don't know why you have.
00;19;55;03 - 00;19;59;04
Tamara
No, you shouldn't have to. But I think we do struggle anyway. We're going to struggle.
00;19;59;04 - 00;20;03;00
Tamara
Because we're this is part and parcel of the job for most of us.
00;20;03;02 - 00;20;07;25
Tamara
And I yeah, but I think we got to we've got to just push on and we are more resilient for it.
00;20;07;28 - 00;20;08;26
Tamara
Which is great.
00;20;08;28 - 00;20;30;21
Adam
I think. I, I mean, I feel for a period of my, of my life that some things came very easy and that I know I was always taken aback, like of, like in terms of, opportunities. Yes. I would kind of land on my lap and I would sort of go, I don't know how I got this, but I was grateful for it.
00;20;30;23 - 00;21;01;17
Adam
And, and I think one of the getting back to the whole struggling artists idea is that whilst now that sort of things have become a little bit more spread out, I suppose. Yeah. In terms of, in terms of gigs, I'm more appreciative of them. Whereas particularly towards the end, I was becoming very it was work and, and, and it was sort of moving to the next job, to the next job, next job.
00;21;01;19 - 00;21;19;15
Adam
And I kind of expected these things to just sort of happen. But I now looking back, I do feel like I kind of I wasn't appreciating the, the moments more as much as I, I often feel now looking back, I, I kind of squandered my time. I should have been either in it more.
00;21;19;20 - 00;21;20;20
Tamara
Yeah.
00;21;20;22 - 00;21;39;05
Adam
Or or and looking around and taking it taking in because of those moments, you know, because they well, you know, like like all things come, it'll come to an end. And whilst I had that sort of ticking clock in the back of my mind thinking, this is not going to last forever, it wasn't really a reality to it became a reality.
00;21;39;08 - 00;22;05;22
Adam
And so now I do find I will remind myself when I'm in the middle of a gig or something like that, or about to go on or something like that, I'll, I'll mentally say, stop, take it in, be in the moment. Because it might be gone. This might be the last one. Enjoy the energy, but be be present the moment rather than rather than thinking I'm thinking next production.
00;22;05;28 - 00;22;07;08
Adam
Yeah. Down the track.
00;22;07;10 - 00;22;19;03
Tamara
So I understand what you're saying, but I think, well, how come dentists don't have that, you know, like they don't have to go and just be thankful that this patients come through the door and you're doing a root canal.
00;22;19;03 - 00;22;21;26
Tamara
Because this could be the last root canal, you know.
00;22;22;03 - 00;22;32;17
Tamara
Doctor Jenny and, but as artists like I, I absolutely understand what you're saying to be in the moment because you don't know when it's it's always that is is the last gig.
00;22;32;18 - 00;22;33;21
Tamara
Is this the last gig?
00;22;33;21 - 00;22;36;13
Tamara
What's coming next is always what's next?
00;22;36;15 - 00;22;48;21
Tamara
And we do as artists have to think like that. And I do that on a daily basis. As a voice actor I audition every day. Every day is a job interview.
00;22;48;24 - 00;22;53;13
Adam
So why did you pursue classical singing.
00;22;53;16 - 00;22;54;15
Tamara
I pursued.
00;22;54;15 - 00;22;56;17
Tamara
Classical singing I think.
00;22;56;17 - 00;22;58;03
Tamara
Because.
00;22;58;05 - 00;23;22;18
Tamara
I think it happened organically now. It did happen organically and I don't know if this happened with you either. Be interesting to know. Yeah I started singing got singing lessons. But the singing teacher I had at school happened to be a classical music teacher, who also did music theater. So I sang a lot of music theater, and I was singing some Italian, and it just progressed like that.
00;23;22;18 - 00;23;43;07
Tamara
I just kept it, just kept going and. And then I had another teacher outside of school, Jenny Stevens. And it was all classical. So I was singing German, you know, Italian and, and French and what have you. And I started doing a B exams in classical, and I secretly always wanted to do jazz, like I wanted to break out.
00;23;43;12 - 00;23;48;07
Tamara
And there was this jazz singer, Cathy Rena at our school. And I was like.
00;23;48;09 - 00;23;49;22
Tamara
I just want to do jazz.
00;23;49;24 - 00;24;10;20
Tamara
And then I did that for a term because I hit my I really want to do it. So I did both. And my classical teacher said, oh, you can't do both. You can't do both. Which, I mean, I sort of get, but I mean, I was happy to flip and flop between the two because I think that's where my heart was that I wanted to, you know, be the chick with the microphone, with the drummer and the double bass.
00;24;10;20 - 00;24;27;28
Tamara
And but I suppose being a rule follower, I thought all this is probably the right way to do it. You know, if you're going to do singing, this is kind of like, ballet, you know, ballet dances, you do ballet first. If you want to do anything else and be good at it. So then I just, I just kind of didn't think about it.
00;24;27;28 - 00;24;47;16
Tamara
I just went, oh, okay, well, I'll go to the conservatorium. If I get in. So I just do that, which I'm glad I did because I, it was probably one of the best times of my life, really, with the people that I met, the experience I had. But funnily enough, I never in my mind thought I want to be an opera singer.
00;24;47;18 - 00;24;50;05
Tamara
It never occurred to me. I think I just wanted the.
00;24;50;05 - 00;25;01;28
Tamara
Experience at the time, potentially a music theater performer. But again, I wasn't really a professionally trained dancer. I could dance, but I was not a trained dancer, so I don't know.
00;25;01;28 - 00;25;04;13
Tamara
What I was thinking.
00;25;04;15 - 00;25;12;17
Tamara
Because when you finally realize when you go to an audition and they say, oh, do you want can you tap dance? And you go, no. And they're like, next door.
00;25;12;19 - 00;25;15;27
Tamara
Thank you, thank you. All right. What a waste of time this was.
00;25;15;27 - 00;25;17;05
Adam
I can sing something in German.
00;25;17;05 - 00;25;21;02
Tamara
Thank you, thank you. So.
00;25;21;04 - 00;25;21;23
Tamara
French.
00;25;21;28 - 00;25;23;21
Tamara
I think I thought.
00;25;23;24 - 00;25;42;09
Tamara
Oh, Tamara of the future. We'll work this out. Like. Oh, just have fun for now. Do this classical singing cause and we'll see what happens. I even audition for State Opera when I was in year 12, I think I was 16 or 17, and I did this audition and they said, oh, you were great, but you'd be young.
00;25;42;09 - 00;25;49;20
Tamara
Come back when you've been to the con. I went, that's great. And then I didn't audition until for like 30 years or 25 years.
00;25;49;22 - 00;25;51;04
Tamara
So there you go.
00;25;51;04 - 00;25;52;01
Adam
There you go. Yeah.
00;25;52;07 - 00;25;53;18
Tamara
I mean, so yeah.
00;25;53;21 - 00;26;19;02
Adam
I mean, you're the only reason why I went to the con. I mean, I had done a couple of operas by that stage, but it felt like at the time it was the next step up because I was doing music theater for quite a while by that stage, and it just felt like, I just wanted to grow and to learn and I didn't want to necessarily leave town.
00;26;19;04 - 00;26;27;08
Adam
And, the only real next step up was to to in professional world was to do opera.
00;26;27;11 - 00;26;28;09
Tamara
There was no music theater.
00;26;28;11 - 00;26;31;11
Adam
No. That was really necessary to course to do that.
00;26;31;15 - 00;26;34;05
Tamara
I would have done that if it had been there. I reckon.
00;26;34;08 - 00;26;39;23
Adam
And I'm, I might have. Who knows if it's like I was 30.
00;26;39;29 - 00;26;40;10
Tamara
Yeah.
00;26;40;11 - 00;27;03;15
Adam
Now maybe. But, so it just felt like a natural progression, but it wasn't something that I was naturally drawn to. And, and I think it was just more the teachers, the vocal teachers. I was starting to work with were of a classical background or from a, from an opera background. So that kind of steered me into sort of that style.
00;27;03;17 - 00;27;06;01
Adam
I still never really felt it was me.
00;27;06;02 - 00;27;08;09
Tamara
Oh, me too. Me.
00;27;08;12 - 00;27;27;12
Adam
But it was sort of something that I felt I could do, but it wasn't, and I kind of enjoyed it and it made me perhaps appreciate or promote, but I never really felt that was my that was my thing. So I suppose my happy place is sort of in the music theater realm. And I did enjoy.
00;27;27;15 - 00;27;51;06
Adam
I have enjoyed being involved in opera, but it most of the productions, it is sort of you. You don't you're doing your thing. Yeah. And maybe in the moment I'd be enjoying it for the singing, but the overall experience would be going. This is sort of this is kind of a work, but I enjoyed the intellectual rigor of having to learn a language or getting it right.
00;27;51;06 - 00;27;59;09
Adam
Yes. Whereas in other areas it was a little bit more, you can make it whatever you want to make. It was. Yeah. With, with music, theater, the discipline behind.
00;27;59;09 - 00;27;59;16
Tamara
Yeah.
00;27;59;17 - 00;28;20;21
Adam
There was a lot more discipline on I did like that sort of push and sort of to rise. So I suppose and that's probably my place at the moment is sort of what's the next developmental step. And I suppose it's not so much, for me like an artistic developmental a little bit, but it's more personal, like me, sort of.
00;28;20;21 - 00;28;35;11
Adam
Maybe, learning a bit more about myself and or appreciating myself a little bit more rather than striving for external, that dimensions of validation. So it's more, okay, actually, let's.
00;28;35;14 - 00;28;37;27
Tamara
Do it for you. Internalize it.
00;28;37;27 - 00;28;44;12
Adam
So that's that's my journey that I've been going on through for, for years or so now.
00;28;44;12 - 00;28;47;03
Tamara
But how nice is it to be in that place?
00;28;47;05 - 00;29;14;15
Adam
Yeah, it's it feels a lot less pressured. The opportunities I've had in recent times, I've sort of I can say I've enjoyed them. As opposed to that was work over like I had to really work hard to do it and I and I did it. I got over the line, but it was hard. But I can find some joy in it, which is I think that's sort of.
00;29;14;17 - 00;29;17;25
Adam
Well, the direction I want to go now.
00;29;17;27 - 00;29;33;20
Tamara
Yeah. Picking. I think that comes with age too, because I just recently thought, okay, see, I'm a bit of a yes person. I'll go, yeah, I'll do that. I'll do that. And then I get myself involved in creative projects. Then I resent because.
00;29;33;23 - 00;29;35;15
Tamara
I've said yes to them.
00;29;35;18 - 00;29;51;21
Tamara
To be a people pleaser in a lot of ways. And then I kind of go, oh, I don't want to do this. And it becomes a pain in my ass. And it's not very fair on the people that I've said yes to, being that way. And I thought, well, you just need to be more stringent. Like, what do you really want to do?
00;29;51;21 - 00;30;06;10
Tamara
Say yes to those things and those things you don't want to do? Say no. So I've kind of thought, well, look, if if I want to do a passion project, it's going to be mine. I'm putting my free time into stuff and I want to do that. I'm creating and everything else you can hire me to do.
00;30;06;16 - 00;30;07;00
Tamara
To do.
00;30;07;00 - 00;30;34;15
Tamara
That thing. I'm at that point, you know, I just really need to, make decisions about where I'm putting my energy and knowing your worth as well. Like what you can do and what you can offer. So unless, of course, you really want to do someone else's project and, you know, of course, but just really being sure the thing you do that you decide to do, you really want to do that, thing, which is it's a nice place to, to be, to feel like, oh, I'm making choices for myself.
00;30;34;17 - 00;30;38;11
Adam
Yeah. I have a habit of just being able to convince myself that I want to do it.
00;30;38;15 - 00;30;42;23
Tamara
Really, until you've done it the whole way through as well.
00;30;42;23 - 00;31;04;05
Adam
Yeah. I mean, that's it's sort of. Oh, wow. I don't whether it's, it's not too often that I've said no, it's mainly it might be due to just criticality that time. Yeah. But I've sort of maybe been able to convince myself mentally that, okay, if you're going to do this is what you're going to focus on. This is your goals in this task.
00;31;04;10 - 00;31;19;28
Adam
So you're going to achieve this. And so it's I've, you know, whether that's a good way to go about a like yours a bit more. It's a bit more but it's minus I can for myself maybe a little bit and go, okay.
00;31;20;00 - 00;31;31;15
Tamara
Well maybe that's you finding the positive in it or the why did I. There must have been something that I've said yes to about this that I enjoy. So let's enjoy that. You know, leaning into that maybe.
00;31;31;17 - 00;31;54;28
Adam
Yeah. On those most of the things when I'm involved, they're is a specific this is what I want to get out of it. Yeah. Whether it be just to get up on stage and perform or I want to work with that, that person, or I want to do try out this type of role or sing this, this type of music.
00;31;54;28 - 00;32;15;26
Adam
Yeah. So there's a there are sort of reasons why I go about it. So it is very strange. I don't know if it's the same for you in terms of some things I'll do for nothing, and then some things will go, you know, what's, what's the what's what's the fe? What's the fe course?
00;32;15;28 - 00;32;29;22
Tamara
Only in this industry is that a struggle of an artist in your mind. Oh, should I do that for free? Or how much should I ask to be paid for it? No one else is doing that. Like lawyers are not like. Oh, do you mind if I work on this case for free?
00;32;29;23 - 00;32;33;14
Tamara
Oh, they might, maybe pro bono is out, right? But no one's.
00;32;33;16 - 00;32;34;03
Tamara
You know.
00;32;34;09 - 00;32;37;21
Tamara
I don't know, it's so bizarre.
00;32;37;24 - 00;32;42;26
Tamara
That we should have it. But we should. We should. I mean, be compensated in some way for what we do.
00;32;42;26 - 00;32;58;05
Adam
Yeah. I mean, I know in general, I know some people would think it's it's crazy. So some things I'd be going. So, you know, what am I getting going to get for another thing. So I'm going, oh yeah, I just want to do it now, not want to do it. But but,
00;32;58;08 - 00;33;00;28
Tamara
You either compensated with joy or with money, but.
00;33;00;28 - 00;33;08;02
Adam
Then not looking back and going, but the people who are paying me be going, but, well, you just did something for nothing before. Not just I to let.
00;33;08;02 - 00;33;09;18
Tamara
Them think like that. And process.
00;33;09;23 - 00;33;13;01
Adam
Them. That's because I wanted to do it or that that was mine, actually.
00;33;13;07 - 00;33;15;07
Tamara
And I didn't want to do I did.
00;33;15;10 - 00;33;17;22
Adam
Well, I could, I could live without it, I guess.
00;33;17;22 - 00;33;18;14
Tamara
Yeah, that's.
00;33;18;14 - 00;33;20;08
Tamara
Right.
00;33;20;11 - 00;33;24;08
Adam
So you went overseas. Now I'm going to I'm going to get this totally wrong.
00;33;24;10 - 00;33;27;21
Tamara
Copenhagen I did. Oh thank God, well done.
00;33;27;21 - 00;33;30;09
Adam
You're done. So you finished uni.
00;33;30;12 - 00;33;32;10
Tamara
Yeah.
00;33;32;12 - 00;33;34;03
Adam
You get your piece of paper.
00;33;34;05 - 00;33;36;04
Tamara
Yeah. Two pieces of paper you got.
00;33;36;06 - 00;33;37;19
Adam
So what was the other one. Oh.
00;33;37;19 - 00;33;42;09
Tamara
Arts degree. No, but you're right. I finished uni the con first, so that was my first degree.
00;33;42;09 - 00;33;43;04
Adam
Was the arts degree.
00;33;43;09 - 00;33;45;05
Tamara
Japanese language.
00;33;45;07 - 00;33;46;01
Adam
Of course.
00;33;46;03 - 00;33;46;21
Tamara
Of course.
00;33;46;21 - 00;33;49;04
Adam
That ties in. So naturally.
00;33;49;06 - 00;33;51;16
Tamara
That was my back up. I was going to go work.
00;33;51;20 - 00;33;53;07
Tamara
As a spy for ASIO.
00;33;53;08 - 00;33;54;07
Adam
Yeah, right.
00;33;54;09 - 00;33;56;01
Tamara
And I did audition for ASIO.
00;33;56;02 - 00;34;01;18
Adam
So those naughty Japanese spies. If you're any Japanese spies listening at the moment.
00;34;01;19 - 00;34;02;14
Tamara
Oh, my God, I love you.
00;34;02;14 - 00;34;02;20
Adam
Work.
00;34;02;21 - 00;34;19;00
Tamara
I was just telling my daughter this story about how I interviewed Fazio the other day. You seriously? As in, I didn't interview the other that. But interviewed years ago, yeah, I did, I thought, I'll do this, this would be good. But I think what I wanted to be was like this, like an actual spy in a movie. I think I was confusing the two.
00;34;19;02 - 00;34;31;01
Tamara
I wanted to be the spy who was like, you know, pretending to be Russian to steal the USB key and put it up my bomb and then escape really quickly out of a window, you know, Mission Impossible stuff. Oh.
00;34;31;04 - 00;34;33;21
Adam
I'm just the whole.
00;34;33;24 - 00;34;34;01
Tamara
That's.
00;34;34;01 - 00;34;36;09
Adam
Kind of a bum thing. So you had to take it there.
00;34;36;12 - 00;34;38;04
Tamara
But sorry. So you're thinking.
00;34;38;04 - 00;34;45;14
Adam
Like Russia, but you then. But you learned Japanese. Yeah. So I never seen any James Bond movies with the. Oh, no, there was there was a Japanese.
00;34;45;14 - 00;34;48;05
Tamara
I didn't think of. I didn't think it through clearly.
00;34;48;12 - 00;34;50;17
Adam
You needed to do the Russian because you did good.
00;34;50;20 - 00;35;02;21
Tamara
Yeah. Do you need over the years I do, I do like to do the Russian. You know, sometimes when I'm like feeling like it, you know, like at the, supermarket. Foodland. Yeah. Woolworths.
00;35;02;23 - 00;35;09;16
Adam
And that's a little bit more pace even trying to do, Japanese eggs. Well, once. And we won't ask you to attempt that, but.
00;35;09;20 - 00;35;11;05
Tamara
No, thank you, but I do.
00;35;11;05 - 00;35;17;28
Tamara
Speak Japanese. So I went and lived in Japan, actually first for a year and worked there in Tokyo.
00;35;18;00 - 00;35;20;25
Adam
That's a teaching English now.
00;35;20;25 - 00;35;37;14
Tamara
I worked in the only Japanese daycare center that employed Japanese speaking foreigners because they wanted the kids to work with round eyes. Basically, white people and experience get a little bit of the, you know, Western culture with that.
00;35;37;14 - 00;35;42;05
Adam
They sort of would you communicate at times in English or to.
00;35;42;10 - 00;36;07;11
Tamara
You know, or Japanese or Japanese? Yeah. Or Japanese. Yeah. So I don't yeah. And it was interesting because the opportunity came up when I was at uni, through the Japanese department and I thought, well, I'll try that. I think I was just up for doing anything different. I wanted to see the world get out there, did that for a year, earn money, and I'd signed up to finish my arts degree.
00;36;07;11 - 00;36;26;14
Tamara
As in my just my minor subjects, at Copenhagen University on exchange for a year. So I had this kind of year in, but sort of, you know, I funny because this, terms were different semesters. I had like this weird period of time in between. So I, I thought, I won't do the Japanese for year and then go to Copenhagen.
00;36;26;14 - 00;36;31;27
Tamara
So there was a three week turnaround in between. And then I went to Copenhagen after Japan. Yep.
00;36;31;29 - 00;36;33;19
Adam
And great red light district.
00;36;33;19 - 00;36;36;14
Tamara
I've been waiting in, Copenhagen.
00;36;36;17 - 00;36;38;04
Tamara
Yeah. I'm sorry, are.
00;36;38;04 - 00;36;39;09
Tamara
You thinking Amsterdam?
00;36;39;09 - 00;36;40;04
Adam
Maybe, I answered, I.
00;36;40;04 - 00;36;40;26
Tamara
Think, yeah.
00;36;40;28 - 00;36;44;14
Adam
I'm getting everything. Okay, so I thought you went. I thought you went studied in England.
00;36;44;17 - 00;36;46;22
Tamara
He was like, I'm going to talk about England somewhere.
00;36;46;22 - 00;36;48;08
Adam
Out of Australia.
00;36;48;10 - 00;37;06;01
Tamara
But it was very close. So yeah, I went to Copenhagen, and studied there for a year. And you know what occurred to me the other day? I thought, why did I not? Why did I not audition for the opera chorus in Copenhagen? They had an opera company. It just never occurred to me, and I think it was one of those things.
00;37;06;01 - 00;37;21;12
Tamara
There's no way like you didn't even enter my mind that maybe you could audition for them and sing. I think I thought, oh, they're so. It's so far above what you are, there's no way you'd even get in. Like, why would you even consider it? I thought about that the other day. I want to do that.
00;37;21;15 - 00;37;23;10
Adam
So you didn't even didn't even enter your mind?
00;37;23;11 - 00;37;30;17
Tamara
Didn't into my mind. So instead, I worked in an Irish pub and a Japanese restaurant in Copenhagen.
00;37;30;19 - 00;37;32;17
Tamara
Serving sushi. So,
00;37;32;19 - 00;37;37;03
Tamara
Yeah, some interesting decisions that you make as an as a young 20 something.
00;37;37;03 - 00;37;40;20
Adam
Oh, look, when you're young, you can do you can do those things.
00;37;40;21 - 00;37;41;13
Tamara
That's right.
00;37;41;15 - 00;37;43;07
Adam
Then you came straight back.
00;37;43;10 - 00;37;51;24
Tamara
To this time, back for a bit and did a master's in international politics because I thought, yeah, again, ASIO.
00;37;51;26 - 00;37;55;13
Tamara
Okay. ASIO was calling. Yeah, actually they weren't.
00;37;55;13 - 00;38;01;22
Tamara
Calling at all. So I did that and then I applied. I did apply for ASIO for their intelligence officer program.
00;38;01;24 - 00;38;03;09
Adam
You were help that.
00;38;03;12 - 00;38;10;11
Tamara
Well no, I don't think I was at home. Look, I went and did the interview and I wore, I purposely wore a black.
00;38;10;11 - 00;38;12;13
Tamara
Coat.
00;38;12;15 - 00;38;14;19
Adam
Dark glasses.
00;38;14;22 - 00;38;17;26
Tamara
And I went up to the table because I said they didn't.
00;38;17;26 - 00;38;19;12
Tamara
Call it.
00;38;19;15 - 00;38;35;17
Tamara
The ASIO international, you know, office intelligence officer interview panel. It was a hotel. You had to go to a hotel in one of the rooms. They said, I'll come in. And when you get there, ask for, I don't know, some other name, just so maybe it. Mr..
00;38;35;17 - 00;38;38;10
Tamara
And Mr. Security. Exactly.
00;38;38;17 - 00;38;46;07
Tamara
And I thought, well, this is part of the test. Right. Get there. Where am I looking? Very. You know, don't don't don't do under the radar.
00;38;46;09 - 00;38;50;20
Tamara
I'm after the Mr. Smith. Yes. Wink wink.
00;38;50;20 - 00;38;57;15
Tamara
Wink. It was like that. I said I'm here for the, you know, the wink wink, nudge nudge.
00;38;57;21 - 00;39;01;05
Adam
There in the foyer with the white carnation.
00;39;01;07 - 00;39;06;27
Tamara
Exactly. And this woman looks me and goes, oh, you mean for the, ASIO intelligence officer? And I went, sure.
00;39;07;04 - 00;39;10;06
Tamara
Oh.
00;39;10;09 - 00;39;13;14
Tamara
I'm like, lady, don't you know?
00;39;13;16 - 00;39;21;24
Tamara
Anyway, but it was all psychometric, testing, which they said I clearly wasn't. Well, I didn't get accepted.
00;39;21;26 - 00;39;26;12
Tamara
It was all like that was, you know, you do two people push, push.
00;39;26;14 - 00;39;45;22
Tamara
Ice cubes up a mountain. And how, you know, how long do they need to sit at the top of the mountain before it melts? But it wasn't. It wasn't mathematical. It was all this strange kind of these questions. Logic, logic questions. So there was multiple choice A, B, C or D, and I was like, but it could be any of them.
00;39;45;24 - 00;39;52;07
Tamara
Is there another option? Like I was just so out of the box I don't see black and white. I'm like, oh, what about this? What about.
00;39;52;07 - 00;39;55;07
Adam
That? But wouldn't it be code anyway? I have the top of the mountain, so it wouldn't.
00;39;55;11 - 00;40;07;24
Tamara
They wouldn't exactly. So I'm coming up with all these. Ridiculous. I've already named these people who were pushing ice up the mountain. Like it's just I clearly wasn't the right person for that job, which I think is true. Like, come on. No.
00;40;07;24 - 00;40;09;27
Adam
Well, maybe you are. And you're just.
00;40;09;29 - 00;40;12;16
Tamara
Maybe I am a spy. And this is my cover.
00;40;12;18 - 00;40;14;04
Tamara
Of a struggling.
00;40;14;04 - 00;40;19;04
Adam
I'm struggling on this interviewee like.
00;40;19;07 - 00;40;22;14
Tamara
So yeah. So that didn't happen. But I tried.
00;40;22;17 - 00;40;23;04
Adam
Disappointingly.
00;40;23;08 - 00;40;24;28
Tamara
Short lived. Oh not really.
00;40;25;00 - 00;40;27;29
Tamara
No, I don't think so. Maybe for a week.
00;40;28;01 - 00;40;39;01
Tamara
But I'm very much try this out, see if I like it. Try it on. Okay. If that doesn't work next. Like, what's that not meant to be? What's the next thing? So.
00;40;39;03 - 00;40;41;03
Adam
So then podcasting.
00;40;41;06 - 00;40;42;06
Tamara
Podcasting.
00;40;42;06 - 00;40;44;21
Adam
How did that come into your life?
00;40;44;24 - 00;40;45;10
Tamara
Otter.
00;40;45;10 - 00;41;07;06
Tamara
I don't remember why I thought podcasting was a good idea. I think every. Oh, I know, have you heard, the podcast serial? It was a podcast years ago. Investigative journalists, had done this podcast, and it's really what made podcasts super trendy and famous. And it must have been how many years ago now? Eight, ten years ago.
00;41;07;06 - 00;41;23;14
Tamara
I heard it anyway. And I thought, this is brilliant. It was so well done. And I thought maybe I got into listening to interview podcasts or different types so I could probably do this one. I give it a go. So that's when I just did the guilt trip and thought, oh well, that'll be fun. I didn't have any intentions of it going anyway.
00;41;23;14 - 00;41;34;06
Tamara
I thought, oh, I'll just do this for fun. And then, yeah, I started doing this other one was Chanel, that beautiful nightmare. Yeah. And just been doing that ever since.
00;41;34;08 - 00;41;35;03
Tamara
Which is great.
00;41;35;05 - 00;41;36;19
Tamara
And I enjoy it.
00;41;36;21 - 00;41;38;24
Adam
Do you see yourself continuing with it later on?
00;41;38;24 - 00;41;40;27
Tamara
Was I do.
00;41;40;29 - 00;42;03;16
Tamara
I guess it depends. I guess it's only as fun as, like a when it stops being fun, you got to stop. I think with these things I mean some some weeks it can be hard like, oh God, you know, if you're busy, you're chasing that Monday all the time, like, oh, I got to come up with the what are we going to talk about this week sort of thing, or have we got any interviews?
00;42;03;19 - 00;42;10;03
Tamara
But it is always it's good fun. It's always fun to sit and have a good chat. And as it's always a very lighthearted comedy stuff.
00;42;10;03 - 00;42;13;15
Adam
So, you know, good talker among things.
00;42;13;15 - 00;42;14;21
Tamara
Yeah, yeah.
00;42;14;24 - 00;42;16;07
Tamara
Are you having fun right now?
00;42;16;09 - 00;42;16;24
Adam
Absolutely.
00;42;16;24 - 00;42;18;25
Tamara
Okay.
00;42;18;27 - 00;42;20;24
Tamara
I just checking, just checking in.
00;42;20;27 - 00;42;23;01
Adam
Having a ball right now.
00;42;23;03 - 00;42;23;27
Tamara
I'm having a.
00;42;23;27 - 00;42;30;03
Adam
Ball and and you mean you've done pretty well. I mean, I was looking at your website.
00;42;30;05 - 00;42;33;22
Tamara
Look at that. God, it's gorgeous. Look at that photo of me.
00;42;34;00 - 00;42;36;10
Tamara
Look at that. It's stunning in color as well.
00;42;36;10 - 00;42;43;13
Adam
It is. I love the color. I didn't know you were a backup vocalist for Michael Buble.
00;42;43;13 - 00;42;45;10
Tamara
Oh, I've done lots. So. So this is my.
00;42;45;11 - 00;42;45;26
Adam
That's cool.
00;42;45;26 - 00;43;00;02
Tamara
Whether it's a problem or not, I've done a lot of weird and wonderful things. Adam, apart from the ASIO interview and working at a the only teppanyaki restaurant in all of Scandinavia.
00;43;00;05 - 00;43;01;02
Tamara
Practicing.
00;43;01;03 - 00;43;15;08
Tamara
And also being under 15. And your state, stay state high jump, high jump champion. Really? Yeah. Under 15 to say no it's not in the by idea like that. But, you know.
00;43;15;10 - 00;43;18;14
Adam
I would have gone as I would have a did you mention it? You know.
00;43;18;14 - 00;43;18;28
Tamara
I should.
00;43;18;28 - 00;43;24;26
Adam
Have, but maybe that was the how high can you jump get out of those walls really quickly. And the getaway I.
00;43;24;26 - 00;43;26;28
Tamara
Can yes, I can, I can, I can.
00;43;27;04 - 00;43;27;13
Tamara
Do.
00;43;27;13 - 00;43;28;22
Adam
The scissor kick over it.
00;43;28;23 - 00;43;29;25
Tamara
No I don't this is a kick.
00;43;29;25 - 00;43;31;25
Tamara
I do the first B flop.
00;43;31;28 - 00;43;33;06
Adam
The frozen B flop.
00;43;33;06 - 00;43;33;16
Tamara
France.
00;43;33;16 - 00;43;38;04
Tamara
Beef up. That's the one where you. Yeah. You know I like the Olympics okay. Yeah.
00;43;38;04 - 00;43;39;12
Adam
First B flop France.
00;43;39;12 - 00;43;41;10
Tamara
B I think it's Crosby. Crosby.
00;43;41;13 - 00;43;43;06
Adam
Yeah. It should be a band called that.
00;43;43;08 - 00;43;44;01
Tamara
The friends B flop.
00;43;44;03 - 00;43;46;10
Adam
Ladies and gentlemen, the Beatles.
00;43;46;12 - 00;43;48;08
Tamara
But what was the question you asked me?
00;43;48;10 - 00;43;56;09
Tamara
Oh, Michael Bublé. Yes, I sang backup for him. When he was in Adelaide. We did that. It was fun. It was good fun.
00;43;56;11 - 00;43;57;12
Tamara
I. Yeah.
00;43;57;14 - 00;43;58;10
Tamara
Do you remember that time?
00;43;58;10 - 00;43;59;00
Adam
I think I.
00;43;59;00 - 00;44;00;02
Tamara
Was the nine. I think it.
00;44;00;02 - 00;44;00;17
Tamara
Was.
00;44;00;17 - 00;44;06;09
Adam
Yeah. Because I remember there was something I.
00;44;06;12 - 00;44;07;24
Tamara
We did a lots of time.
00;44;07;24 - 00;44;25;06
Adam
I think we did it. Yeah. I just remembering we did it. There must have been a gig that I was involved with. That was an people couldn't Michael was going to do that and they were setting up for the concert. Oh like we did something. And then I sort of said, what are they setting up for now? And I said, oh, that's Michael Buble.
00;44;25;06 - 00;44;27;04
Adam
I said, but but I know it. Yes. And that must have.
00;44;27;04 - 00;44;29;17
Tamara
Been he's supporting Tomorrowland gig. So yeah.
00;44;29;19 - 00;44;31;12
Adam
What if that was you? You were involved in that?
00;44;31;12 - 00;44;39;04
Tamara
I was, and it was the best. And I went rogue on stage. Adam, I went rogue. I had a moment where I was on, I was you talk about being in the.
00;44;39;04 - 00;44;41;02
Tamara
Moment like I was it. And you went rogue.
00;44;41;02 - 00;45;08;02
Tamara
And I went rogue. We were meant to just click at the back and sing the back up. And at one point I looked at the audience and I had a moment where I'm like, imagine this is your show. Thousands of people and the lines. And I was like, yeah, I forgot about Michael Bublé. And I did this really big, like, role because we were singing You've got a role or something, and I did this big wave with my arm, and I really was getting into it.
00;45;08;06 - 00;45;13;22
Tamara
Why I did that, I have no idea. But as I did it, Michael turns around.
00;45;13;24 - 00;45;17;05
Tamara
Sees me doing this stupid.
00;45;17;08 - 00;45;32;07
Tamara
Move. And that's in that moment, you know, when you realize, oh, this is it's not a dream. This is actually you're meant to be singing back up for the guy in front of you. He's actually the star of the show. And then I went back to clicking and doing my song, but, yeah.
00;45;32;07 - 00;45;33;20
Adam
So he didn't he didn't comment on it.
00;45;33;20 - 00;45;40;00
Tamara
But no, he didn't. He was too busy. But he did see me and kind of, you know, going, oh, she's doing something.
00;45;40;03 - 00;45;47;04
Tamara
That's got that to it. You got invited here. Yeah. So yeah. But I'm, I remember having that moment like, oh.
00;45;47;07 - 00;45;55;17
Tamara
I was almost this is going to sound so weird. I was almost annoyed that he was there. Like, I'm like, this is great.
00;45;55;19 - 00;45;56;20
Tamara
But why can't I get that?
00;45;56;23 - 00;45;57;20
Tamara
I'm a bit jealous.
00;45;57;20 - 00;45;58;16
Tamara
Of Michael Buble.
00;45;58;23 - 00;46;01;11
Tamara
How come he gets to do that? I want to do.
00;46;01;13 - 00;46;06;13
Adam
What this show needs is some more, roles. Yeah.
00;46;06;16 - 00;46;08;22
Tamara
My gosh. So funny.
00;46;08;25 - 00;46;12;05
Adam
And, you know, and and so you.
00;46;12;08 - 00;46;12;19
Tamara
Yeah, I.
00;46;12;22 - 00;46;14;02
Adam
Worked with him again.
00;46;14;04 - 00;46;17;13
Tamara
No, he's just that one time. Yeah. Yeah.
00;46;17;14 - 00;46;19;26
Adam
It's only too much awesomeness on stage.
00;46;19;26 - 00;46;20;13
Tamara
That's right.
00;46;20;13 - 00;46;25;07
Adam
And also, you probably sort of thought I can't work with this because she.
00;46;25;10 - 00;46;25;20
Tamara
She,
00;46;25;24 - 00;46;28;17
Tamara
Failed the psychometric testing.
00;46;28;20 - 00;46;32;02
Adam
I can't I can't compete with an umbrella.
00;46;32;05 - 00;46;37;07
Tamara
Jesus. Oh, God damn it. Yes, it but it was quite the experience. Like, it was really fun. It was.
00;46;37;07 - 00;46;42;10
Adam
Awesome. Did anyone comment or voice like any audience members crying? I love your animals.
00;46;42;12 - 00;46;51;22
Tamara
No. No one. No, I don't think even he was looking at me. Let's face it, Adam, like I tell this story, like, as if there's a spotlight on me.
00;46;51;24 - 00;46;53;16
Tamara
Like no one.
00;46;53;16 - 00;46;54;17
Tamara
Saw it but Michael.
00;46;54;22 - 00;46;55;25
Adam
By. He saw.
00;46;55;28 - 00;46;57;11
Tamara
He saw. And that's what's important.
00;46;57;11 - 00;47;01;08
Tamara
Yeah. We're best buds now. Yeah. After that.
00;47;01;08 - 00;47;02;16
Adam
Big hi to Michael, if you're listening.
00;47;02;21 - 00;47;06;21
Tamara
Hi, Michael. Yeah, thanks. I remember me getting touched. You haven't called. You haven't.
00;47;06;21 - 00;47;10;03
Adam
Written hashtag. I'm all girl.
00;47;10;06 - 00;47;15;18
JINGLE
Goodies. I goodie fan.
00;47;15;20 - 00;47;25;07
Adam
Five. Haha. Question number one. What song would make the best theme music for you?
00;47;25;09 - 00;47;31;22
Tamara
Easy. Like a Sunday morning. I don't mean that in the way that you think.
00;47;31;23 - 00;47;35;25
Adam
I wasn't thinking anything, okay? I just I was impressed by how quick he responded.
00;47;35;28 - 00;47;36;16
Tamara
Yeah.
00;47;36;19 - 00;47;38;03
Adam
Usually people got,
00;47;38;05 - 00;47;39;06
Adam
Oh, I don't know.
00;47;39;08 - 00;47;42;02
Adam
You mean what happy songs had. No. Yeah, because it's.
00;47;42;02 - 00;47;44;24
Tamara
Got a bit of. But the Mike Patton version like that.
00;47;44;24 - 00;47;49;16
Tamara
You don't need no near. I don't.
00;47;49;18 - 00;47;50;23
Tamara
You know.
00;47;50;26 - 00;47;53;22
Tamara
For that. Yeah. It's got to be a good one.
00;47;53;25 - 00;47;54;03
Adam
Yeah.
00;47;54;07 - 00;47;55;18
Tamara
Gritty, greasy.
00;47;55;21 - 00;47;56;11
Tamara
Bit jazzy.
00;47;56;12 - 00;48;00;11
Adam
Not that. Not another is the more. Not not not crony.
00;48;00;12 - 00;48;04;06
Tamara
No. You want to be, like Mike Patton style? Yeah.
00;48;04;07 - 00;48;05;01
Adam
Yeah. Okay.
00;48;05;01 - 00;48;08;01
Tamara
I don't know why, but you said. Yeah. No, no, that song.
00;48;08;03 - 00;48;08;19
Adam
Yes. I'm not.
00;48;08;19 - 00;48;09;05
Tamara
Going to question.
00;48;09;05 - 00;48;20;22
Adam
It. Don't question it on it. If money was no object, what would you want to do with your career? It can be artistically or could be otherwise.
00;48;20;24 - 00;48;42;02
Tamara
I would open. I've thought about this. I would open a, like a theater company or something. Something like that. A theater run that runs like an institute or something. Music, whatever. I haven't thought about it. They'd probably be an opera arm of it. You could just. Oh, it'd be fun to just own this and let other bring in employ people.
00;48;42;02 - 00;48;47;04
Tamara
Not just artists, but managers, all this kind of thing. The creative. Yeah.
00;48;47;06 - 00;49;04;14
Adam
I'm with you on this. It's something that. Yeah. Let's do it. Yeah, yeah. No, I know, my my youngest often says, that's what she would, would like, want to do to, to create, a company.
00;49;04;16 - 00;49;04;29
Tamara
Yeah.
00;49;05;03 - 00;49;21;13
Adam
Yeah, it's sort of, but bringing people in rather than sort of. Yes. And sort of like a, a creative hub of, of, you know, let's just do weird stuff and, and that's. Yeah, if money was not.
00;49;21;13 - 00;49;25;19
Tamara
No, there was going to. Yeah. And you can do whatever you want it would be amazing.
00;49;25;21 - 00;49;27;12
Tamara
Yes.
00;49;27;14 - 00;49;35;11
Adam
Good answer. We're on the same page there. I think you've already spoken. You've mentioned probably one of them, but.
00;49;35;13 - 00;49;36;00
Tamara
I understood.
00;49;36;02 - 00;49;50;26
Adam
That the answer's no. No, no, but can you share, one of your weirdest experiences on stage? I think you've already mentioned one of them. What with the. With the armor on.
00;49;50;26 - 00;49;52;22
Tamara
The like.
00;49;52;25 - 00;49;54;26
Tamara
Armor we experience.
00;49;54;27 - 00;49;56;20
Tamara
Oh, it doesn't have to be the.
00;49;56;22 - 00;49;58;25
Adam
One, but it could be a weird.
00;49;58;27 - 00;50;06;11
Tamara
One. Okay, so I once I directed and produced a show called The Australian Horse Whisperer.
00;50;06;14 - 00;50;10;05
Tamara
So someone approached, someone approached.
00;50;10;05 - 00;50;33;20
Tamara
Me, added our homestead to do they want they have these big open gardens at a garden day, and they have this quite famous cowboy that does these horse shows and does horse training, this young, good looking cowboy guy, and he just basically does demonstrations. They wanted to turn it into more of a show. So they got me in to basically put together a show introducing these horses.
00;50;33;20 - 00;50;41;12
Tamara
So I wrote this whole show as I would write it, almost like a horse cabaret. And I know nothing about horses.
00;50;41;15 - 00;50;47;13
Adam
You say that. It's just it's like there's many horse cabarets out there, and I know what you're talking about.
00;50;47;13 - 00;50;48;08
Tamara
I know.
00;50;48;11 - 00;50;50;06
Adam
Are we talking about singing horses here?
00;50;50;13 - 00;51;06;06
Tamara
No, we're talking about like I turned it. This guy would demonstrate 3 or 4 different horses. So I was like, well, they have a story, right? They have a personality. What does this horse do? So I put when he came in, you know, I got him with a whip would, you know, and the horse and not whipping the horse, but without cracking a whip.
00;51;06;06 - 00;51;12;22
Tamara
And each horse that came in had a story of where he came from just to make it more interesting. Right.
00;51;12;25 - 00;51;14;02
Adam
It's like a like someone walks.
00;51;14;02 - 00;51;18;07
Tamara
On like freight. Yeah. Like. Yeah. Wind in his head. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
00;51;18;11 - 00;51;20;23
Tamara
Crapping in the paddocks, you know. Yeah.
00;51;20;26 - 00;51;23;17
Adam
Like pina coladas.
00;51;23;19 - 00;51;24;14
Tamara
All the things.
00;51;24;14 - 00;51;32;20
Tamara
So anyway, I did this show, but I thought it would be a good idea at one point if I stuck this kind of long piece of.
00;51;32;23 - 00;51;33;05
Tamara
What was that?
00;51;33;05 - 00;51;38;05
Tamara
I can't remember, like a straw in my mouth. And he would whip it out of my mouth. It's cowboy.
00;51;38;05 - 00;51;38;20
Adam
Yep, yep.
00;51;38;26 - 00;51;58;24
Tamara
So and I was announcing I was sort of emceeing this show, I suppose, you know, like reading all the bits in between and, you know, interviewing him and getting him to talk to the audience. And anyway, I thought this will be smart. Why don't you whip it out of my mouth? So I was standing there, bent over with my, you know, this straw in my mouth, and he say, a whopping this.
00;51;58;24 - 00;52;07;21
Tamara
And I remember standing there going, what am I doing? What is this? What is happening? I'm not an intelligence officer. I don't.
00;52;07;21 - 00;52;09;02
Adam
Go to Copenhagen for this.
00;52;09;07 - 00;52;09;17
Tamara
Site.
00;52;09;17 - 00;52;12;22
Tamara
And why the hell did I pay $45,000.
00;52;12;22 - 00;52;17;27
Tamara
For those degrees? Because this is what I'm doing right now. Working on the horses.
00;52;17;28 - 00;52;25;03
Adam
At the Adelaide Conservatorium. And this is where I am, with a straw in my mouth, oversize straw getting it out of my mouth.
00;52;25;03 - 00;52;30;11
Tamara
That's right. And I think it's that moment where you go, what is happening? Where am I?
00;52;30;12 - 00;52;31;09
Adam
You're living the dream.
00;52;31;09 - 00;52;42;07
Tamara
But also that was the the best moment to because I am in this moment and it's something I would never in my lifetime have expected to do. So I think that was probably an odd moment.
00;52;42;10 - 00;52;50;11
Adam
To, is there any sort of conceptual recording of this? The Australian Horse Whisperer, the musical end of a cabaret.
00;52;50;11 - 00;52;50;26
Tamara
Although.
00;52;50;28 - 00;52;52;04
Tamara
I think we only have a couple.
00;52;52;04 - 00;52;53;29
Tamara
Of photos. Like I'm thinking I should.
00;52;53;29 - 00;52;59;10
Tamara
Have video taped this so I have evidence that I did this. No they didn't.
00;52;59;14 - 00;53;00;22
Adam
And so there's songs in it.
00;53;00;22 - 00;53;09;26
Tamara
Or is it just it's just voices did not sing sounds. No. It was more of a I call it a cabaret, but it was more of a, I don't know, what do you call that? What do you even call that? Like a show?
00;53;09;29 - 00;53;10;20
Tamara
This is a show?
00;53;10;21 - 00;53;14;25
Adam
Yeah, just a a show. A spectacular, spectacular show.
00;53;14;25 - 00;53;18;11
Tamara
Thank you. Spectacular horse show starring me.
00;53;18;16 - 00;53;20;20
Adam
Showing you with some horses and.
00;53;20;20 - 00;53;21;04
Tamara
The cowboy.
00;53;21;04 - 00;53;23;07
Adam
And that cowboy too. Yeah. Who works.
00;53;23;07 - 00;53;23;18
Tamara
Here with.
00;53;23;18 - 00;53;26;11
Tamara
Other names? Yeah. And he could whisper to the horses. That was the thing.
00;53;26;11 - 00;53;30;23
Adam
Yeah, but how do we know? I mean, whispering into horses.
00;53;30;25 - 00;53;34;22
Tamara
Telling, training them. And he goes. And then I would do things.
00;53;34;24 - 00;53;36;12
Adam
Like read the newspaper.
00;53;36;14 - 00;53;39;08
Tamara
Yeah. Make tea. Whatever.
00;53;39;10 - 00;53;43;07
Tamara
Yeah. What's the what's the audience?
00;53;43;13 - 00;53;51;07
Adam
You know, sort of a spectator value in terms of just seeing a guy whispering a horse, horses a year and then, I guess I was like, doing pretty.
00;53;51;13 - 00;53;57;10
Tamara
He was doing cool tricks, but the horse was doing all sorts of weird and wonderful things. And people who like horses would appreciate it.
00;53;57;12 - 00;54;07;03
Adam
Yeah. And it'd be sort of like a fairly quiet. But I'd like to show just seeing a guy whispering in the horse's ear and everyone's just sitting there watching it.
00;54;07;05 - 00;54;12;10
Tamara
Yeah, they were, but then that's when I came in to make it fun and I'd be like, so what he's doing now is.
00;54;12;10 - 00;54;13;11
Tamara
Is this is is.
00;54;13;11 - 00;54;18;02
Tamara
It like explaining and things like that? Yeah. I was this close to singing though, because I really was.
00;54;18;03 - 00;54;21;16
Adam
So it's really like sort of cricket, like I'm in the nets.
00;54;21;16 - 00;54;22;22
Tamara
Do you like cricket now?
00;54;22;22 - 00;54;28;11
Adam
Because there's not a lot happening on the field. And the commentators is like, they're the ones who might get excited.
00;54;28;11 - 00;54;29;03
Tamara
Making a song.
00;54;29;03 - 00;54;33;21
Adam
And talk about The Seagull, and then we'll get a shot of the Seagull and then sort of keep people.
00;54;33;25 - 00;54;51;10
Tamara
Go, yes, keeping people engaged. And that's the job. Yeah. So I feel like I've done a lot of these weird and wonderful things in my life. And I think you wonder sometimes. I always used to think, are they all these things leading to something like, why are they not necessarily leading to the thing, the big thing? Right. There's always this whole.
00;54;51;10 - 00;54;52;11
Tamara
Oh, there's going to.
00;54;52;11 - 00;55;07;24
Tamara
Be this huge, big thing I'm going to do. And then if nothing really happens with it, you go, well, why the hell did I do that? But I think are they are parts of the puzzle. And I don't think you realize who later on when you do do something else that you got. Oh yeah, that came in handy that I can speak Japanese.
00;55;07;29 - 00;55;18;00
Tamara
Oh, geez. I really never thought that I needed to know that thing. Like, I kind of. You know who I think I, I am, I'm like Slumdog Millionaire.
00;55;18;03 - 00;55;19;01
Tamara
Like, you know how he knows.
00;55;19;01 - 00;55;20;01
Tamara
All these.
00;55;20;04 - 00;55;28;13
Tamara
Experiences, that he knows these things. It's like this weird concoction of stuff in my life that you think, what's the point of them? Until that big moment and you got.
00;55;28;13 - 00;55;28;28
Tamara
On.
00;55;28;29 - 00;55;29;19
Adam
This, this is.
00;55;29;26 - 00;55;30;12
Tamara
Makes sense.
00;55;30;12 - 00;55;34;09
Adam
Yeah. So it all comes together. Yes.
00;55;34;11 - 00;55;39;03
Adam
Has for Horse Whisperer, it's sort of. You've been out to draw upon this? No, no. Okay.
00;55;39;05 - 00;55;40;15
Tamara
But my point is.
00;55;40;21 - 00;55;43;29
Adam
I hope there's plenty of time in the future where you can draw.
00;55;43;29 - 00;55;50;20
Tamara
Upon. I know. Right. Well, the horse died, and then the cowboy had an accident. So it was meant to go on, but it didn't. So.
00;55;50;20 - 00;55;55;04
Tamara
Yeah. Yeah, I know, I said. Yeah.
00;55;55;07 - 00;56;23;26
Adam
Maybe, maybe another time. Maybe listeners, maybe ponies. Anyway, we got any pony producers out there with horses. Please reach out. So. Oh, that was, that was question number three, wasn't it? Yes. Oh, good. Question number four. Oh, it's only two more. It's any song that's an it's because it's good. He's five five. Oh yeah. So for this is this will be interesting.
00;56;23;28 - 00;56;29;00
Adam
What is one item on your bucket list that you have yet to.
00;56;29;02 - 00;56;45;01
Tamara
Oh, yes. I'm just thinking of this really quick. It's one item. It's not the biggest one because I can't think of anything else right now. But to be the voice of, like, the train. Well, the the tram or something.
00;56;45;01 - 00;56;46;00
Adam
Like Thomas train.
00;56;46;00 - 00;56;51;17
Tamara
Cool. No, no, no, to be like, mind the gap, be the whole thing.
00;56;51;18 - 00;56;58;01
Adam
So actually it's sort of like a, you know, like phones like Siri or something like that.
00;56;58;03 - 00;57;02;14
Adam
But no, but just specifically, specifically for trains. Trains. Yeah. Oh my boy.
00;57;02;17 - 00;57;04;14
Tamara
Any reason why specifically trains.
00;57;04;14 - 00;57;08;26
Tamara
So that's just something I haven't done in my voice acting, career.
00;57;08;26 - 00;57;14;24
Adam
So putting you in a spot right now, can you give me, it's like a demo reel.
00;57;14;26 - 00;57;19;12
Tamara
Next up, Brighton. Mind the gap.
00;57;19;15 - 00;57;20;15
Tamara
So.
00;57;20;18 - 00;57;22;27
Adam
So it's obviously going to be for UK.
00;57;23;00 - 00;57;25;29
Tamara
No. All that could be here. Brighton. We have a Brighton to Adam.
00;57;26;01 - 00;57;29;21
Adam
Yeah, but with that was quite a sort of,
00;57;29;24 - 00;57;36;21
Tamara
EastEnders coffee was. Yeah. Well, I could pitch it there too, but I think they have someone. But the one he is terrible, like the. It's like.
00;57;36;23 - 00;57;39;02
Tamara
Next up, Marion Stout.
00;57;39;02 - 00;57;44;08
Tamara
Like, I don't know who's doing it if they've got AI to do it or whatever, but they need me.
00;57;44;11 - 00;57;50;20
Adam
But you could, but you could sort of go to different like sort of different regions and do different voices for the different regions.
00;57;50;27 - 00;57;54;20
Tamara
Could do. You're right. Yeah. Maybe the coke train will have me can.
00;57;54;20 - 00;57;56;09
Adam
So Russia.
00;57;56;11 - 00;57;58;00
Tamara
But could you do Russia next.
00;57;58;01 - 00;58;00;16
Tamara
Stop the.
00;58;00;18 - 00;58;02;26
Tamara
That sounded North Korea South Korean actually.
00;58;02;28 - 00;58;03;26
Adam
Into Scottish.
00;58;03;26 - 00;58;09;26
Tamara
Yes I could I could next stop Aberdeen. It's like that's.
00;58;09;26 - 00;58;10;28
Tamara
Like quite an angry.
00;58;10;28 - 00;58;14;00
Tamara
That is it's good. I like the lady.
00;58;14;02 - 00;58;15;16
Adam
That was good though I was.
00;58;15;19 - 00;58;17;10
Tamara
You'd go there, you'd get off at that start.
00;58;17;10 - 00;58;22;10
Tamara
Wouldn't you mind the gap. Yeah. Yeah. Bastard.
00;58;22;13 - 00;58;24;21
Adam
So thick. Bastard.
00;58;24;23 - 00;58;27;01
Tamara
Sorry, I swore that's okay.
00;58;27;03 - 00;58;32;19
Adam
Like we can do these things on this one. Okay. Thank you. Saying thank you.
00;58;32;21 - 00;58;33;25
Tamara
Okay.
00;58;33;27 - 00;58;44;00
Adam
This is for liking us. We've we've have discussed this, but how do you make tough decisions?
00;58;44;02 - 00;58;45;10
Tamara
I don't.
00;58;45;12 - 00;58;46;19
Tamara
I know.
00;58;46;21 - 00;58;48;19
Tamara
I asked my husband and he makes them.
00;58;48;24 - 00;58;58;26
Tamara
Like just giving. How do I make tough decisions? Oh, that's a good question. I, me.
00;58;58;28 - 00;59;14;07
Tamara
I avoid them in the beginning. I don't like making tough decisions. I have to put my big girls knickers on and go, right, come on, let's do it. It takes me a while to make decisions like that, so I think I stew on things.
00;59;14;09 - 00;59;24;19
Tamara
And then I close my eyes and go right, making the decision. And I hate that because I don't like confrontation or, it depends on what it is. I suppose.
00;59;24;19 - 00;59;26;02
Tamara
But,
00;59;26;05 - 00;59;45;14
Adam
But I mean, you there's an element you where you do you there's a sort of spontaneity in you. But obviously wouldn't it is being a tough decision to whether it be. Yeah, work related or, so yeah. No, I can I can totally relate to that.
00;59;45;16 - 00;59;47;28
Tamara
Yes. I don't like making them.
00;59;48;01 - 00;59;48;07
Tamara
But.
00;59;48;07 - 01;00;02;01
Tamara
Some people do or they're good at it, you know, and it comes with being assertive. And I mean, I know in my mind I know what I want to do, but it's it's saying it out loud. I think when you make that tough decision.
01;00;02;03 - 01;00;03;20
Adam
And living with a.
01;00;03;27 - 01;00;05;05
Tamara
Living with it and,
01;00;05;08 - 01;00;05;24
Adam
Accepting it.
01;00;05;25 - 01;00;14;14
Tamara
Owning it, it's hard to own to walk away and go. And I'm saying that and that is that. And I'm okay with that.
01;00;14;17 - 01;00;20;18
Tamara
I may not have a panic attack. So that's me.
01;00;20;20 - 01;00;34;07
Adam
Lovely. Now if people want to reach out and contact you for your for voiceover podcasting. Yeah. Whispering expertise. It could be the moment.
01;00;34;11 - 01;00;35;22
Tamara
It could be.
01;00;35;24 - 01;00;36;28
Adam
How could they.
01;00;37;00 - 01;00;37;24
Tamara
Contact contact.
01;00;38;00 - 01;00;38;13
Adam
You.
01;00;38;16 - 01;00;52;03
Tamara
You can go to my website Tamara LinkedIn.com. That's Tamara ly Inc.com. And my contact details are there. Is that is that good? That's good. Okay. So we need,
01;00;52;06 - 01;00;54;01
Adam
Thank you so much, Tamara.
01;00;54;03 - 01;00;56;18
Tamara
Thanks, Adam. It was everything you hoped.
01;00;56;18 - 01;00;59;19
Tamara
For and more.
01;00;59;22 - 01;01;00;17
Adam
Yes. It was.
01;01;00;19 - 01;01;01;15
Tamara
Oh, you did.
01;01;01;17 - 01;01;08;09
Tamara
He paused. Ladies and gentlemen, there was a pause. I think we need a pot, Terry. I've got lots of weird and wonderful stories.
01;01;08;15 - 01;01;10;03
Adam
Well, yeah.
01;01;10;05 - 01;01;12;06
Tamara
Well, I mean, no pressure, no pressure.
01;01;12;06 - 01;01;14;25
Adam
It's like. But it's always lovely. It's always lovely. Talking to.
01;01;14;27 - 01;01;18;02
Tamara
It is. I love talking to you, too. My dear friend.
01;01;18;05 - 01;01;27;10
Adam
So we'll sign off now. We.
01;01;27;12 - 01;02;05;27
Adam
And we're back. And first thing I'm going to say was we we've got a very a team of fact checkers, at the computer researching all the information that we're, we talk about. And one, one thing that did come out, we, was regarding the award that she won and, with the faithful, truthful format of Facebook at our hands, we were able to confirm that it was the award for Outstanding Body of Work, Best International Voice for the Service Award 2025, and she was nominated for 2024.
01;02;05;27 - 01;02;42;22
Adam
That's fantastic. I there is a correction on that information we gave you. Researchers have been fired. Tamara is a recipient of the outstanding body of work. Best international voice for the Service Awards 2026, not 2025. Apologies. I, so, as you may have gathered, it was a bit of a fun interview. She does. It's an easy talk with Tamara.
01;02;42;25 - 01;03;12;25
Adam
Yes. But it I'm fascinated by sort of, her resilience and sort of and finding, and saying yes to ideas when doors open to say yes. Yes. Taking opportunities and, lots of funny stories and, and so and in some cases opportunities arise that she may not have, realized if she hadn't taken that path.
01;03;13;01 - 01;03;21;15
Julie
Yeah, she's checked in some risks along the way. And yeah, she's, a natural storyteller. And very funny, which is helpful. Yeah.
01;03;21;18 - 01;03;27;27
Adam
Quite, quite a clown. So that's why we get along well. Talking.
01;03;27;27 - 01;03;29;15
Julie
Yeah. One clown to another.
01;03;29;16 - 01;04;10;01
Adam
One clown to another. Exactly. Well, I hope you enjoyed that. And got something from I did. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. So we're at this stage now where it's, I'm probably not going to be physically able to be, doing one every single month. Realistically. It doesn't mean that it's, the podcast is over, but I just think realistically, when something comes up, I'll do it and then I'll drop it and and so on, rather than trying to, drag my heels in and make it happen every single month.
01;04;10;03 - 01;04;32;02
Adam
I've got some ideas, but I just know with fortunately and I can say I've got some projects to work on apart from my day to day living of, owning a cape and putting food on the table. So stay tuned. Keep keep posted. I haven't disappeared, it's just the episodes will be further and farther between, but there'll be a bit more thought out as well.
01;04;32;02 - 01;04;43;24
Adam
Not I don't, not as rushed in this case. So please keep communicating. I'd love to hear from you and thank you, as always for listening. So it's by for me and it's.
01;04;43;27 - 01;04;47;05
Julie
By for me, by my.